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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  Viviane: Higher order mammals exhibit bully behavior and killing for pleasure also. We ARE members of the animal kingdom. We were just lucky enough to evolve large brains and opposable thumbs.

  I agree we are a family. We're made with similar physical systems and needs as the animals have and as a result we find ourselves to a degree able to understand them and if we so desire to empathize with them because we are a fleshly family with all living things on earth. Perhaps it's meant to help us maintain humility in the face of our exceptional abilities far above the animals.
  

  As for any examples of bulling or killing for pleasure among the animals from what I've read for the most part that occurs when the animals are living in stressful conditions caused by their proximity to and/or mistreatment by people. Also, a degree of self-identification with the behavior can occur meaning we can "read" into the animal's behavior what we see in ourselves. We cannot read the animal's mind though.

  We were just lucky enough to evolve large brains and opposable thumbs.

  Surely you're not saying we are the only ones on earth with large brains and opposable thumbs. We're not.
  
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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  Depresssed Soul, the Bible, if you think about it, reflects real life. Yes, bad things happen in the Bible. Yes, God instructs or allows violence in a violent world. Jesus taught love of neighbor, loving our enemies, sharing what we have and so on. That though did not make violence go away.

  What makes violence go away in our world today? Force. Laws and punishment for breaking laws. Good people are not violent. Violent people only know force. Why should it be surprising for God to do the same? To reward those doing good to their fellow man and to warn the violent they must change.
  
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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  The virus does not have evil intent. It is surviving nothing more. But people can have evil intent and do bad not just to survive but for the sheer pleasure of doing evil to another man or woman or to animals. In my opinion, there is a big difference between people and the animal kingdom when it comes to evil or doing bad.
  
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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  Yes, it's true. Violence permeates the earth. Predators in the animal kingdom though are not quite as evil as people can be, imo.
  
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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  Life itself is a story of good and evil.
  
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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  LOL, no it wasn't a jc question. Just wondered how you would answer that's all.
  
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  God & JW can't exist without "evil"

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking the other day that so far jw's and god have always needed or relied on "evil" to get items done or taken care of.

  almost every bible prophecy and jw teaching would not exist without "evil".. let's take the prophecy of jesus for example, it would not have been fulfilled without evil.

  when you think about it, he was a needed evil in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.

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  Do you believe God is all evil?
  
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  Disowning the God of the OT is not an Option

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  it's to their credit that many modern christians prefer the jesus of the gospels to the god of the old testament.. ot god is an embarrassment.

  i am not going to list his multitude of moral crimes here but my personal favourite is his brilliant idea that a girl who is raped must marry her rapist.

  it's not his biggest crime but it demonstrates a disregard for human feelings that is beyond the comprehension of every moral person.

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  Cofty: So why did Jesus' god not educate them?

  I've already answered that question. We are now entering an endless circle of argument for argument's sake. I'm stepping off the merry-go-round until you have something interesting to say.
  
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  Interesting point about elders appointment by holy spirit (apostacy case)

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i was just listening to a jc for apostasy on jwstruggle.

  the issue was raised if elders are appointed by holy spirit, then why is there such an issue with sex abuse.

  the answer was given (and i thought it was quite true) well jesus was the son of god and he appointed judas under holy spirit, just to have him turn on him.

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  In actual fact, it is believed that the elders are appointed by holy spirit because they are judged to have met the standards for older men in Timothy and Titus. It is these standards, that the Society believes are from the holy spirit. Thus when a man is appointed elder it is because the elders and co have judged him as meeting the inspired standard in the Bible and thus it is said he has been appointed by holy spirit.

  As for Judas, though Jesus knew his heart that did not mean that Judas was predestined to betray him. Judas did what he did because his heart was greedy nothing more. A business owner may know which of his employees is likely to steal from him but he says nothing until the deed is done. Meanwhile that employee enjoys the same benefits and pay raises and yearly bonuses of all the rest. So too Judas benefited from seeing what the others saw and hearing what they heard and eating what Jesus provided but that did not change his heart.
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  Disowning the God of the OT is not an Option

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's to their credit that many modern christians prefer the jesus of the gospels to the god of the old testament.. ot god is an embarrassment.

  i am not going to list his multitude of moral crimes here but my personal favourite is his brilliant idea that a girl who is raped must marry her rapist.

  it's not his biggest crime but it demonstrates a disregard for human feelings that is beyond the comprehension of every moral person.

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  Cofty, the OT is just as "moral" as the 21st century. The difference is they were ignorant we are not.

  (Edited to add I am off to do yard work.)